Subject	No need to defend it. Like I said, there's room for it.
Posted by	SeedyROM on November 15, 2003 at 4:32 AM
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In Reply To	Well, he said he was about to buy the StopTech which likely posted by AshsZ on November 14, 2003 at 09:51 PM
Message	And to simply discuss the "not feeling the difference" aspect of it...it is nearly irrelevant what you feel in the seat of your pants given that there are numerous scientific tests that have been run by multiple third party companies that have shown certain kits to be drastically better than others. In particular the StopTech kit (because it is designed specifically for the Z32, the bias is done right and the piston choice is matched) brakes quite a bit better on repeated braking and keeps as close to stock as possible on single braking. StopTech has all that data, multiple snippets from overseas rally testing, trophies, etc. Just to reiterate, the kit you're making does have a place, it WILL be better than stock and it will be cheaper. But to say there isn't much difference is more than a tad off...despite what you "felt" :) My 300Zs: www.zheaven.com - Have a question about either of my 300ZXs? Answers lie within. Admin: www.350ZForum.com - Your source for the lastest info on the new Nissan 350Z! Writer: www.SportZMagazine.com - Nothing but Z cars from cover to cover! Subscribe today! Moderator: www.TwinTurbo.net - Hands down, the best site for 90-96 Z car info and discussion!
Follow Ups	13" big brake kit - revisited.. - AshsZ 19:18:58 11/14/03 Would you like your money Visa, IOU, Paypal or Cash? - KàPPá¹ 19:31:05 11/14/03 don't forget your new 17 inch wheels/tires with that. (n/m) - SactoTodd 19:36:19 11/14/03 Yes, it does require 17" rims, or bigger. (n/m) - AshsZ 19:55:51 11/14/03 Big Volk Rims on the way - KàPPá¹ 20:10:26 11/14/03 Great! Didn't see anything in your profile, just checking. (n/m) - SactoTodd 22:09:10 11/14/03 Stop Techs are far superior to Ash's/Z1's setup that - NR98 (next year) 19:37:28 11/14/03 I agree, but people in general are cheap. - SeedyROM 20:21:46 11/14/03 Couldn't agree more with your last statement. (n/m) - Spee 21:11:54 11/14/03 Well, he said he was about to buy the StopTech which likely - AshsZ 21:51:52 11/14/03 people are "always about to buy it" until it comes time - Chris(NJ) 00:19:23 11/15/03 LOL, true. =) (n/m) - AshsZ 09:20:22 11/15/03 No need to defend it. Like I said, there's room for it. - SeedyROM 04:32:26 11/15/03 All I'm saying is that it is a 'seat of pants' difference. - AshsZ 09:24:57 11/15/03 Interesting dictionary find... >>> - AshsZ 22:20:55 11/14/03 Nah, just another way to spell CD (n/m) - olyar15 23:33:59 11/14/03 Nah, it goes back to an early spelling error :) - SeedyROM 04:27:53 11/15/03 why would you not get Stoptechs? (n/m) - Spee 19:49:32 11/14/03 I think we both know the answer to that. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 00:14:16 11/15/03 Don't forget stoptech includes new bigger calipers (n/m) - zboost 19:49:47 11/14/03 Sorry bro, didn't mean to get you chewed out. (n/m) - AshsZ 19:50:43 11/14/03 huh? - TARGETZ 19:40:12 11/14/03 This will explain it pretty well.. - AshsZ 19:41:46 11/14/03 ahhh - TARGETZ 19:46:09 11/14/03 LOL, yeah, I see that. Meant to say 'fit the calilper over - AshsZ 19:49:19 11/14/03 cool... - TARGETZ 19:59:05 11/14/03 30mm. I've already made an imprint of the caliper - AshsZ 22:37:03 11/14/03 Interested (n/m) - Sean92NA 19:49:44 11/14/03 Ash, have you visited the idea of using the COBRA caliper? (n/m) - PiotrC70 20:49:23 11/14/03 Thought about it but haven't gotten my hands on them. - AshsZ 21:39:06 11/14/03 Stupid question----> - Kyle(Houston) 21:40:50 11/14/03 great question! I was wondering the same thing... (n/m) - tranzlucent 21:46:32 11/14/03 I would think that the farther away from the center of the - Spee 21:47:27 11/14/03 its amazing what little leverage in the right direction does (n/m) - 3 double-0 ZX(Va Bch) 21:54:37 11/14/03 Its even more amazing behind the wheel. :) - AshsZ 21:57:33 11/14/03 Ahhh....didn't think about that......thanks... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 22:57:22 11/14/03 Yes but that is only true is the caliper - TARGETZ 23:45:44 11/14/03 same clamping force + more leverage = more stopping power - Guapo 23:58:08 11/14/03 ture but only if the caliper is up for the task - TARGETZ 09:28:32 11/15/03 no it isn't. - Spee 11:01:41 11/15/03 Kyle, Kyle, Kyle... That gay Porn Getting to you, huh? :-) (n/m) - Coz@CZP 01:58:26 11/15/03 Shut your hole....biaaaatch ;-)......... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 07:26:33 11/15/03 I don't think so - ZBlacktt 02:58:42 11/15/03 Same clamping force at a greater radius from the axis - AshsZ 09:18:37 11/15/03 Weird how they look smaller than 13" too,, lol. - ZBlacktt 10:12:58 11/15/03 I'm not saying it's equal to an upgraded caliper. - Spee 11:13:32 11/15/03 I was thinking ( saying ) Stock caliper clamping rate - ZBlacktt 13:06:17 11/15/03 * Would not allow a great * (n/m) - ZBlacktt 14:45:48 11/15/03 Like Spee said, leverage. (n/m) - AshsZ 21:54:22 11/14/03 Like they said, it's a basic physics problem. Technically, - robo (sebring1970) 00:14:53 11/15/03 IN the driver's seat, but I'm sure the passengers in the 2+2 - AshsZ 09:26:16 11/15/03 lol at myself, or "behind the wheel" (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 14:12:19 11/15/03 if the rotor is thicker... what do you do for pads? - 3 double-0 ZX(Va Bch) 21:50:55 11/14/03 Rotor thickness is 30mm, but remember that the disc is - AshsZ 21:56:20 11/14/03 Ash, who makes these rotors? (n/m) - tranzlucent 22:01:36 11/14/03 duh, Ford I would assume. (n/m) - tranzlucent 22:03:45 11/14/03 Oooh, thanks. when you said thicker, i invisioned this - 3 double-0 ZX(Va Bch) 22:09:31 11/14/03 Ever think of cryogentically treated rotors? >>>> - not-hrz 22:25:42 11/14/03 Hmm. That's a thought.. No, I haven't, but we do - AshsZ 22:34:54 11/14/03 Re: 13" big brake kit - revisited.. (n/m) - jpark74 23:49:01 11/14/03 and no mention of where the rotors came from ..... - Luke@tirerack 07:54:35 11/15/03 let me guess >>> - YellowZXTT 22:39:36 11/15/03
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